AspiringRationalist comments on Honesty: Beyond Internal Truth - Less Wrong

40 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 06 June 2009 02:59AM

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Comment author: MendelSchmiedekamp 06 June 2009 05:06:34PM 4 points [-]

Definitely. There is a significant risk in failing to communicate accurately by deciding that honesty is all we are obligated to do. This seems inconsistent with the ideal that rationalists should win, in this case winning over the difficulties of accurate communication, rather than simply trying virtuously.

More broadly, though, there is an ambiguity about what exactly honesty really means. After all as Douglas Adams points out, speaking the truth is not literally what people mean when they tell each other to be honest - for one thing this is neither a sane or a terminating request. I suspect this is one of those cases where the graceful failure of the concept is socially very useful, and so the ideal is useful, but over achievement is not necessarilly any better than under achievement (at least not in societal terms).

Comment author: AspiringRationalist 24 September 2012 04:40:47AM 1 point [-]

A good working definition might be "attempting to communicate in a way that makes the recipients map match the territory as closely as is reasonable."