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Comment author: Cyan 07 August 2009 02:14:38AM *  0 points [-]

Yeesh. I'm changing my mind again tonight. My only excuse is that I'm sick, so I'm not thinking as straight as I might.

I was originally thinking that Vladimir Nesov's reformulation showed that I would always accept Omega's wager. But now I see that at some point U1+3*(U1-U0) must exceed any upper bound (assuming I survive that long).

Given U1 (utility of refusing initial wager), U0 (utility of death), U_max, and U_n (utility of refusing wager n assuming you survive that long), it might be possible that there is a sequence of wagers that (i) offer positive expected utility at each step; (ii) asymptotically approach the upper bound if you survive; and (iii) have a probability of survival approaching zero. I confess I'm in no state to cope with the math necessary to give such a sequence or disprove its existence.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 07 August 2009 04:01:27AM 0 points [-]

How would it help if this sequence existed?

Comment author: Cyan 07 August 2009 04:40:13AM 0 points [-]

If the sequence exists, then the paradox* persists even in the face of bounded utility functions. (Or possibly it already persists, as Vladimir Nesov argued and you agreed, but my cold-virus-addled wits aren't sharp enough to see it.)

* The paradox is that each wager has positive expected utility, but accepting all wagers leads to death almost surely.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 07 August 2009 04:59:55AM 0 points [-]

Ah. So you don't want the sequence to exist.

Comment author: Cyan 07 August 2009 12:45:29PM 0 points [-]

In the sense that if it exists, then it's a bullet I will bite.