PhilGoetz comments on Exterminating life is rational - Less Wrong

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Comment author: PhilGoetz 07 August 2009 08:34:27PM 0 points [-]

My confusion isn't coming from the term selfish, but from the term unselfish agent. You clearly suggested that such a thing exists in the quoted statement, and I have no idea what this creature is.

I wrote, "Even if you don't agree that rational agents are selfish, your unselfish agents will be out-competed by selfish agents." The "unselfish agent" is a hypothetical that I don't believe in, but that the imaginary person I'm arguing with believes in; and I'm saying, "Even if there were such an agent, it wouldn't be competitive."

My argument was not very clear. I wouldn't worry too much over that point.

You just said the opposite of what you said in your original post here, that the LHC was turned on for no practical advantage.

No; I said, "no practical advantage that I've heard of yet." First, the word "practical" means "put into practice", so that learning more theory doesn't count as practical. Second, "that I've heard of yet" was a qualifier because I suppose that some practical advantage might result from the LHC, but we might not know yet what that will be.

Comment author: Alicorn 07 August 2009 08:44:23PM *  3 points [-]

If "selfish" (as you use it) is a word that applies to every agent without significant exception, why would you ever need to use the word? Why not just say "agent"? It seems redundant, like saying "warm-blooded mammal" or something.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 07 August 2009 08:48:05PM *  1 point [-]

Yes, it's redundant. I explained why I used it nonetheless in the great-great-great-grandparent of the comment you just made. Summary: You might say "warm-blooded mammal" if you were talking with people who believed in cold-blooded mammals.

Comment author: Alicorn 07 August 2009 09:15:50PM *  2 points [-]

Someone who believes in cold-blooded mammals is either misusing the term "mammal" or the term "cold-blooded" or both, and I don't think I'd refer to "cold-blooded mammals" without addressing the question of where that misunderstanding is. If people don't understand you when you say "selfish" (because I think you are using an unpopular definition, if nothing else) why don't you leave it out or try another word? If I was talking to someone who insisted that mammals were cold-blooded because they thought "warm" was synonymous with "water boils at this temperature" or something, I'd probably first try to correct them - which you seem to have attempted for "selfish" with mixed results - and then give up and switch to "endothermic".

Comment author: PhilGoetz 07 August 2009 09:23:29PM 0 points [-]

Sounds like good advice.