orthonormal comments on You can't believe in Bayes - Less Wrong

4 Post author: PhilGoetz 09 June 2009 06:03PM

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Comment author: PhilGoetz 09 June 2009 06:57:26PM *  2 points [-]

I don't know how I can re-explain it other than just repeating the examples in my post. People see that proposition X implies action A. They then try to decide whether they believe X. If they don't, they don't take action A. This is wrong.

Also, "I believe it's possible that I'll die in a car accident" is a statement of certainty. Parse it.

Comment author: orthonormal 09 June 2009 11:33:40PM *  5 points [-]

The solution to this isn't to reject the very useful concept of belief (which is already generally used to mean "probability 1 minus epsilon" by many people), but to

  • get people to see the fatal error in preparing for only the most probable outcome each time, and
  • convince them it's sometimes OK to be unsure about which branch of a disjunction holds.
Comment author: PhilGoetz 10 June 2009 01:07:58AM 0 points [-]

Yes. Belief is still useful. It's mainly in situations where a low-probability outcome has a high cost or benefit that it causes problems.

Comment author: orthonormal 10 June 2009 01:32:03AM 2 points [-]

It looks like I agree with you but disagree with your original post. What's the problem with saying we believe Bayes' Theorem, and clarifying if asked that we ascribe probability 1 minus epsilon to it?

The rest of your post is of value, but the "You can't believe in Bayes' Theorem" hook goes awry.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 10 June 2009 04:02:39PM 0 points [-]

Fair enough.