Tyrrell_McAllister comments on Why safety is not safe - Less Wrong

48 Post author: rwallace 14 June 2009 05:20AM

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Comment author: asciilifeform 14 June 2009 04:00:22PM *  2 points [-]

catastrophic social collapse seems to require something like famine

Not necessarily. When the last petroleum is refined, rest assured that the tanks and warplanes will be the very last vehicles to run out of gas. And bullets will continue to be produced long after it is no longer possible to buy a steel fork.

R&D... efficient services... economy of scale... new technologies will appear

Your belief that something like present technological advancement could continue after a cataclysmic collapse boggles my mind. The one historical precedent we have - the Dark Ages - teaches the exact opposite lesson. Reversion to barbarism - and a barbarism armed with the remnants of the finest modern weaponry, this time around - is the more likely outcome.

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 14 June 2009 05:04:01PM 4 points [-]

Your belief that something like present technological advancement could continue after a cataclysmic collapse boggles my mind. The one historical precedent we have - the Dark Ages - teaches the exact opposite lesson.

IIRC, Robert Wright argued in his book NonZero that technological development had stagnated when the Roman Empire reached its apex, and that the dark ages actual brought several important innovations. These included better harnesses, better plows, and nailed iron horse shoes, all of which increased agricultural yield. The Dark Ages also saw improvements to water-wheel technology, which led to much wider use if it.

He also makes the case that all the fractured polities led to greater innovations in the social and economic spheres as well.