asciilifeform comments on Why safety is not safe - Less Wrong

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Comment author: asciilifeform 14 June 2009 10:50:21PM *  1 point [-]

we have nuclear, wind, solar and other fossil fuels

Petrocollapse is about more than simply energy. Much of modern industry relies on petrochemical feedstock. This includes the production and recycling of the storage batteries which wind/solar enthusiasts rely on. On top of that, do not forget modern agriculture's non-negotiable dependence on synthetic fertilizers.

Personally I think that the bulk of the coming civilization-demolishing chaos will stem from the inevitable cataclysmic warfare over the last remaining drops of oil, rather than from direct effects of the shortage itself.

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Comment author: SilasBarta 14 June 2009 11:40:44PM 2 points [-]

Yes, the US military is extensively researching how to convert nuclear energy + atmospheric CO2 + water (all of which are in no short supply) into traditional fuel. New York Times article about it. The only thing holding it back from use is that it costs more than making the fuel from ordinary fossil fuels, but when you account for existing taxes in my most countries, if this method weren't taxed while other taxes remained in place, "nuclear octane" would be cost-competitive.

Comment author: CronoDAS 15 June 2009 05:58:04AM 2 points [-]
Comment author: SilasBarta 15 June 2009 10:00:35PM 2 points [-]
Comment author: CronoDAS 15 June 2009 10:05:32PM *  1 point [-]

Indeed. It's a hard resource to exploit, that one, but it has been done. ;)

It's harder to hitch a ride on a bird than it is to turn plants into car fuel, though, but, on a less silly note, the fact that so much fertilizer comes from petrochemicals and other non-renewable sources seriously limits the long-term potential of biofuels.

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