MichaelBishop comments on Representative democracy awesomeness hypothesis - Less Wrong

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Comment author: MichaelBishop 18 June 2009 06:29:31AM 1 point [-]

Libertarian idea of free competition between political systems never existed, so there is no need to discuss it.

Competition between political systems is not as big a factor as it could be, but it is not ignorable. People and companies move, or threaten to move, on account of political systems and specific policies. You don't think this affects things?

Comment author: taw 18 June 2009 07:13:43AM 1 point [-]

According to the hypothesis that utility maximization is always a second order effect, it won't affect policy unless it can make the current government lose. So what's actually optimized here is not any kind of efficiency, but ability to deal with interest groups that can affect government's chances of winning with money and votes - I would say their power is mostly going to be detrimental to the results.

Also, as far as I can tell companies "threatening to move" or "moving" are almost entirely about tax avoidance, and active legislation to handle this (so that profits generated in the country stay taxed in the country) would pretty much get rid of the issue. Other than companies moving labour intensive production to countries with cheaper labour, which theoretically doesn't hurt the country at all.

Comment author: MichaelBishop 18 June 2009 02:23:10PM 1 point [-]

According to the hypothesis that utility maximization is always a second order effect, it won't affect policy unless it can make the current government lose.

I absolutely think the movement of people and companies can make "the current government lose," often for better, sometimes for worse.

Also, as far as I can tell companies "threatening to move" or "moving" are almost entirely about tax avoidance, and active legislation to handle this (so that profits generated in the country stay taxed in the country) would pretty much get rid of the issue.

No, this issue will never be eliminated, nor would we want it to be. Moving often means profits are no longer generated in the same place - this needn't be just a paper change. Nor taxes the only thing that matters, people and companies also move based on the regulatory regime and provision of public goods.

Other than companies moving labour intensive production to countries with cheaper labour, which theoretically doesn't hurt the country at all.