taw comments on The Domain of Your Utility Function - Less Wrong

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Comment author: taw 23 June 2009 09:24:14PM 1 point [-]

I think humans can be accurately modelled as expected utility maximizers

I thought so too even as recently as a month ago, but Post Your Utility Function and If it looks like utility maximizer and quacks like utility maximizer... for pretty strong arguments against this.

Comment author: timtyler 24 June 2009 08:41:18PM 2 points [-]

The arguments in the posts themselves seem unimpressive to me in this context. If there are strong arguments that human actions cannot, in principle, be modelled well by using a utility function, perhaps they should be made explicit.

Comment author: MichaelBishop 24 June 2009 09:16:06PM 0 points [-]

Agreed. Now, if it were possible to write a complete utility function for some person, it would be pretty clear that "utility" did not equal happiness, or anything simple like that.

Comment author: timtyler 24 June 2009 09:51:55PM *  0 points [-]

I tend to think that the best candidate in most organisms is "expected fitness". It's probably reasonable to expect fairly heavy correlations with reward systems in brains - if the organisms have brains.

Comment author: timtyler 24 June 2009 09:05:48PM *  0 points [-]

Agents which can't be modelled by a utility-based framework are:

  • Agents which are infinite;
  • Agents with uncomputable utility functions.

AFAIK, there's no good evidence that either kind of agent can actually exist. Counter-arguments are welcome, of course.

Comment author: MichaelBishop 24 June 2009 09:24:17PM 0 points [-]

Do you have models which explain economics which don't involve individual utility maximization and yet do as well or better. I'm not saying that models of utility maximization are always best, social scientists, including economists, are discovering this But I do think expected utility maximization is currently the best approach to a large class of problems.