eirenicon comments on Atheism = Untheism + Antitheism - Less Wrong

86 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 01 July 2009 02:19AM

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 01 July 2009 04:00:53AM 3 points [-]

To make the distinction clear, if "weak atheism" aka "negative atheism" is lack of belief in God, and strong atheism is belief in lack of God, then:

Weak Untheism would be having never heard of God, but having already invented such epistemic rules that, faced with the proposition of God / religion, you will fail to accept it.

Strong Untheism would be having never heard of God, but having already developed epistemic rules of sufficient strength that, first faced with the proposition of God / religion, you will pass definite negative judgment on it.

Comment author: prase 01 July 2009 08:52:13AM 0 points [-]

I have never understood the difference between weak and strong atheism. Either I think God probably exists or that he probably doesn't, but what's the difference between lack of belief in a proposition and a belief in its converse? Is it that, say, who thinks that God doesn't exist with p=0.8 is a weak atheist while with p=1-10^(-9) he would be a strong one? Or is a weak atheist only who has suspended judgement (what's the difference from an agnostic, then)?

Comment author: eirenicon 01 July 2009 02:15:29PM 2 points [-]

A weak atheist thinks there is no reason to believe God exists. A strong atheist thinks there is reason to believe God does not exist. The practical difference is that the strong atheist defends his position while the weak atheist doesn't think he needs to.

In a way, it's the difference between not wanting to eat spinach and thinking spinach should not be eaten. The former position does not require an epistemological defence.

Comment author: prase 01 July 2009 04:15:30PM 2 points [-]

Liking spinach (or a spinach-free society) is a statement about one's values. Belief in God is a statement about external world.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 01 July 2009 04:22:18PM 2 points [-]

Wouldn't it be nice if that were the way it actually worked.

Comment author: prase 01 July 2009 04:32:11PM 1 point [-]

OK. Belief in God should be a statement about external world.