byrnema comments on Atheism = Untheism + Antitheism - Less Wrong

86 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 01 July 2009 02:19AM

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Comment author: byrnema 05 July 2009 03:48:31AM *  5 points [-]

Thanks. It's interesting that by beginning and pursuing this thread, I've dropped 175 karma points over 3 days. Most of the points were lost immediately after posting the top comment when someone down-voted every comment I've made. (It's OK, someone once up-voted all my comments.) I'm now at -21, so the system is still keeping track of down votes.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 05 July 2009 05:15:16AM 5 points [-]

Most of the points were lost immediately after posting the top comment when someone down-voted every comment I've made.

OK, that's not good. I'll ping the LW people again for tools to prevent and reverse this.

Comment author: pjeby 07 July 2009 04:30:50PM *  1 point [-]

Just as a data point, someone's doing it to me right now... on two page clicks, my karma dropped 3 points each time, from 948 to 942... 941... seems to have stabilized now. That probably means the person doing it had already done it through about 14 of my comments ago, since I saw 955 when I logged in, and that's still showing on the top-10 list... which means the culprit's last logon would be between 01 July 2009 04:05:22PM and 02 July 2009 05:38:46AM. (And all 14 appear to be down a point.)

(Edit to add: this is just to provide a data point for helping to match the behavior programmatically, not further advocacy for the feature or promoting a witch-hunt for the party in question.)

Comment author: thomblake 10 July 2009 07:01:35PM 4 points [-]

Oh, that one was probably me. I had missed some of your comments so was reading through them sequentially.

Comment author: JulianMorrison 05 July 2009 01:49:45PM 2 points [-]

It seems like that's the Reddit-clone way of expressing "this person is a permanent bozo, their opinions are worse than noise and even their valid posts serve a dumb agenda". Reddit has software that fights mass downvoting, but IMO it's not evidence-free behavior, it ought to be taken into account - I suggest LW forbid it with the threat of a ban, but add a bozo button instead (something Reddit has long resisted). The action of this button could be as simple as knocking off a measured amount of karma.

Comment author: Psy-Kosh 06 July 2009 11:32:04PM 5 points [-]

Either that or instead have it increment a separate "N people have hit the Bozo Button for this user" counter.

Or, if you want it to also (or just) include it having a karma hit... make it actually carry a karma price for the user hitting the button too? ie, "I'm so sure that this user's a bozo that I am willing to sacrifice karma to say so, confident that I can earn it back far more easily than they can" or something like that? Since IF we wanted a "bozo button", we'd probably want it to count as something more extreme than simply hitting the downvote arrow. So we might also want to have a price attached to using it. At least, that's my initial thought here.

Comment author: wedrifid 05 July 2009 02:37:05PM 1 point [-]

That is surprising. As of this post I'm at a karma of zero, having been downvoted 3 times and upvoted once. I was under the impression that zero was a limit.

Comment author: byrnema 05 July 2009 03:26:31PM *  2 points [-]

To find out your actual karma, try to downvote someone. You won't be able to, but instead will get an error message telling you your karma.

Comment author: wedrifid 06 July 2009 01:32:46AM 0 points [-]

I did that, and it tells me (0)!