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Comment author: djcb 10 July 2009 04:01:39PM 10 points [-]

Hofstadter & Dennet - "The Mind's I"

Series of essays on self, AI, consciousness, intelligence, ... with Dennet and Hofstadter commenting them. It gives an excellent introduction in the subjects, and a lot of food for thought.

Long time ago since I read that. Maybe I should re-read it and see if it's as good as I can remember...


Comment author: Bo102010 11 July 2009 02:54:12AM *  8 points [-]

I read it last year (for the first time) and enjoyed it thoroughly. It has some classic articles from the field, which if you haven't read already, you should when they're all in one place.

If you've never read Dennett's Where Am I, you shoud click the link and do so now.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 11 July 2009 11:34:35AM *  6 points [-]

If you've never read Dennett's Where Am I, you shoud click the link and do so now.

There is also a video: part1, part2, part3.

Comment author: Bo102010 11 July 2009 04:21:18PM 0 points [-]

Wow, good find. It's so cheesy it's effective...

Comment author: Dirklectisch 14 July 2009 11:31:00AM 0 points [-]

That is an absolutely amazing piece of writing by mr Dennett! Thanks.

Comment author: Cyan 11 July 2009 04:10:29AM 0 points [-]

I clicked the link. Awesome.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 July 2009 06:41:10AM 1 point [-]

I'd have to add just about everything else by Hofstadter, especially Gödel, Escher, Bach.

Comment author: gwern 11 July 2009 04:24:01PM *  2 points [-]

But I must add: exceptions are his I am a Strange Loop (terrible, redundant, and maudlin), and his Fluid Analogies (uninteresting to anyone not trying to code up a Copycat).

So basically, in order: GEB, Le Ton beau de Marot, and Metamagical Themas.

EDIT: correct LTDBM spelling; I was going from memory, and clearly I didn't remember the right order & capitalization.

Comment author: gjm 12 July 2009 10:43:31PM 3 points [-]

"Le Ton beau de Marot". (Not only does the meaning get scrambled with "ton" and "de" swapped, but Hofstadter's pun gets destroyed too.)

I gather his translation of Eugene Onegin is pretty wretched too.