Amanojack comments on The Strangest Thing An AI Could Tell You - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Amanojack 06 April 2010 04:45:43PM 30 points [-]

As a child you learned through social cues to immediately put out of your mind any idea that cannot be communicated to others through words. As you grew older, you learned to automatically avoid, discard, and forget any thought avenues that seem too difficult to express in words. This is the cause of most of your problems.

Comment author: Strange7 06 April 2010 04:51:33PM 6 points [-]

That would explain why the autism spectrum holds so many savants.

Comment author: AspiringKnitter 15 January 2012 10:55:20PM *  2 points [-]

That one's been tested... and proven false. (Unless all the evidence against it is a hallucination.)

Comment author: [deleted] 15 January 2012 11:08:21PM 4 points [-]

Actually, while sufficiently strong versions of the Sapir--Whorf hypothesis have been ruled out, sufficiently weak versions have been confirmed. (They tried to teach the Pirahã to count and failed, IIRC.)

Comment author: AspiringKnitter 16 January 2012 04:36:09AM *  2 points [-]

As a child you learned through social cues to immediately put out of your mind any idea that cannot be communicated to others through words. As you grew older, you learned to automatically avoid, discard, and forget any thought avenues that seem too difficult to express in words.

That's not a sufficiently weak version. To me this claim looks like the conjunction of:

The strongest formulation of the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis (disproven)

That people have an aversion to thoughts that could lead to things not expressible in words

That this is not an innate property of language use, but is caused by social pressure

The last one seems almost plausible (autistics are more likely to have thoughts they can't express verbally and to ignore social cues-- is it correlated in the general population, or do those just happen to be the result of autism?), but in that case is only true for specific readers.

Comment author: [deleted] 15 January 2012 11:29:02PM 2 points [-]

As far as I know (and the last that I checked), there's only been one study done on trying to teach the Pirahã to count. Have there been others, or was it just a fluke?

Comment author: Dmytry 02 March 2012 10:27:42PM 1 point [-]

You know, at first I just totally rejected any strong Sapir-Whorf hypothesis, but then it got me thinking. It may actually be true to varying extent for many people. Not to such extreme extent perhaps, but to the extent that people don't learn a thought structure beyond that provided by the language.