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Comment author: Vaniver 17 April 2012 04:14:38AM 4 points [-]

Arguably, Shakespeare's primary contribution is in his best-known works, not his lesser-known works. Comparing Shakespeare's second-best to Jonson's second-best seems like a poor way to determine which is better- compare The Alchemist against A Midsummer Night's Dream. Similarly, comparing Ibsen and Shakespeare is a tough problem- in some sense, Ibsen is noteworthy only because his style was so different from Shakespeare's. As EE43026F points out, tastes vary- and there's no taste that seems like the natural judge for "greatest." Taking a random sample of humans alive today and having them decide which is better by majority vote seems like a poor judge, as is taking a random sample of theatre affectionados and having them decide by consensus.

(I am curious, though, how people in the developing world would respond to, say, Shakespeare plays vs. Ibsen plays vs. Hansberry plays. Does Shakespeare win points for adapting so readily to Japan?)

Comment author: beoShaffer 17 April 2012 04:25:11AM 20 points [-]

One groups reaction to Hamlet.

Comment author: [deleted] 17 April 2012 08:02:36PM 6 points [-]

Something like this is going on when we read Platonic dialogues.

Comment author: Vaniver 17 April 2012 07:10:01PM 3 points [-]

“Impossible,” began one of the elders, handing his pipe on to his neighbor, who interrupted, “Of course it wasn’t the dead chief. It was an omen sent by a witch. Go on.”

Comment author: gwern 17 April 2012 08:00:00PM 2 points [-]

In one of my anthropology classes, this was covered, but we didn't get a copy of the whole piece. Thanks.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 17 April 2012 07:52:20PM 2 points [-]

This is awesome.

Comment author: linkhyrule5 18 September 2013 07:05:36AM 1 point [-]

Huh.

I wonder if their judgement of quality was a coincidence? It seems odd that they would judge it a good story, while reinterpreting the plot ... well, not all that comprehensively - not a lot of meaning gets changed...

Anyway, it might be interesting to see if their judgement of story-quality is roughly randomized across Western literature, or if they remain parallel even when interpretations differ.

Comment author: MixedNuts 20 April 2012 01:40:39PM 1 point [-]

Not saying I would have done better in the moment, but the author's utter refusal to adapt to different lore and cultural expectations really irked me. Just say it was how the omen got interpreted rather than spoken words!