nerzhin comments on Absolute denial for atheists - Less Wrong

39 Post author: taw 16 July 2009 03:41PM

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Comment author: SilasBarta 16 July 2009 07:19:58PM 17 points [-]

You're wrong about the religious issue. As I've stated many times, including in that discussion, the problem is that there are two meanings of "believe" and people unhelpfully equivocate between them. Here they are:

1) "I believe X" = "My internal predictive model of reality includes X."

2) "I believe X" = "I affiliate with people who profess, 'I believe X' " (no, it's not as circular as it looks)

Put simply, most people DO NOT believe(1) in the absurd claims of religions, they just believe(2) them. Or at least, they act very suspiciously like they believe(2) rather than believe(1). If they believed(1), they would spend every waking moment exactly as their religion instructs.

Comment author: nerzhin 16 July 2009 10:15:30PM 19 points [-]

1) "I'm a rationalist" = "I honestly apply the art of rationality every waking moment"

2) "I'm a rationalist" = "I make comments on Less Wrong and think Eliezer Yudkowsky is pretty cool"

Comment author: sketerpot 17 July 2009 04:19:08AM *  15 points [-]

I'd be a pretty sucky rationalist if I didn't get an itchy feeling when I hear a false dichotomy. Therefore, let's try some other options:

3) "I'm a rationalist" = "I earnestly try to be more rational than I would otherwise be."

4) "I'm a rationalist" = "I think that syllogisms are pretty neat, and I'm really good at proving that Socrates is mortal. ;-)"

Comment author: JulianMorrison 17 July 2009 03:12:53PM 20 points [-]

Dude's dead. QED.

Comment author: algekalipso 26 February 2013 03:21:41AM 1 point [-]

No, dude, the correct answer is "because he is a man!"

Comment author: JulianMorrison 26 February 2013 11:04:07PM 3 points [-]

As a transhumanist, that does not follow.

Comment author: thomblake 17 July 2009 02:25:05PM 1 point [-]

I'm pretty sure I'm a rationalist(4). I am really good at that.

Comment author: CronoDAS 16 July 2009 11:14:55PM *  4 points [-]

I'm a rationalist(2). I'm just here because it's fun. ;)

Comment author: TeMPOraL 09 October 2015 05:12:36AM 0 points [-]

You win rationality(1) points for being honest with yourself :).

Comment author: whowhowho 27 February 2013 12:21:23PM 1 point [-]

3) I put a lot of effort into number-crunching optimal ways of realising my values, and very little into worrying wether they are the right ones.