thomblake comments on Zwicky's Trifecta of Illusions - Less Wrong

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Comment author: thomblake 18 July 2009 03:58:48AM 1 point [-]

Needless to say, this attitude is considered completely baseless by actual linguists.

There are different kinds of linguists, and in my experience your generalization is incorrect. France, for instance, has an entire government agency of linguists devoted to resisting change in the French language.

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 18 July 2009 10:55:56AM *  5 points [-]

The distinction drawn here is linguistic descriptivism vs. prescriptivism. If we take "actual linguist" in this context to mean scientific-minded academic researchers, the field largely requires itself by nature to be descriptive--they're attempting to document and describe actual human behavior "in the wild". It is, typically, not the business of scientists to be dictating terms to reality (they leave that to the engineers). As Emily points out, L'Académie française doesn't seem to contain a single academic linguist.

I suspect this is mostly a disagreement on the definition of "linguist".

Some academic linguists further take an active stand against prescriptivism, even outside the context of their field. Language Log has of course discussed the issue, such as some recent posts here and here, which you've probably already read, given that you linked to Language Log in the main post.

Comment author: thomblake 18 July 2009 04:52:07PM 0 points [-]

Indeed. If someone were to say, "There are no prescriptivist linguists" I'd take that to be a false statement. I've known at least one academic who argued in favor of prescriptivism, and more are out there (thus, the need for academic linguists to argue against prescriptivism).

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 18 July 2009 05:53:32PM 3 points [-]

It is a rule of thumb that at least one academic somewhere will sincerely hold any possible position you can think of. Nevertheless, a prescriptivist approach is a fringe position in the field of linguistics, if only because it is usually incompatible with a scientific approach to the subject.

Comment author: Emily 18 July 2009 09:15:49AM *  4 points [-]

The French Academy is looked down on as being conservative almost to the point of absurdity by just about every linguist I've read on the topic.

ETA: I just skimmed through the Wikipedia article on the topic, which gives this:

although most academicians are writers, one need not be a member of the literary profession to become a member. The Académie has included numerous politicians, lawyers, scientists, historians, philosophers, and senior Roman Catholic clergymen.

Not a linguist mentioned.

Comment author: thomblake 18 July 2009 04:56:55PM 0 points [-]

Currently there are a number of philosophers and one philologist, but it's primarily composed of writers. 'Linguist' isn't necessarily a designation every student of language would take.