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47 Post author: Alicorn 19 July 2009 10:24PM

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Comment author: [deleted] 15 July 2012 11:31:11AM *  -1 points [-]

An Alicorn:

Also, I think we should be persons before humans before genders before races before cultures, at least morally. Notice how each category is smaller than the preceding.

Honestly, I am probably a feminist. I see the problem of, say, difference in wages, between genders, but also how (here in Denmark at least) magically passing the 18 year line increases the wage you can rightfully demand. A 16yo can stock shelves just as well as a 19yo, thank you, that doesn't mean the 16yo should get ~9 euros/hour and the 19yo twice that. Similarly, but subtler, managers tend to be subconsciously biased in deciding who to give wages, in ways that because of the sate of affairs result in gender imbalances. This is just as unfair, but much harder to fix.

I do know that humanity has oppressed half it's population for a long freaking time, which is a reason I don't tolerate Abrahamic religions. That is bad, but it is the past, and so we fix the mistakes in the now. I live in a country that had gender debate driven ad nauseam by crazy feminazis in the 1970's, that is just reversed stupidity.

Foremost my conclusion is that the world is fucked up. When, say, women can no longer reasonably call themselves oppressed, I'll probably stop rooting for them.

Comment author: [deleted] 15 July 2012 12:33:12PM *  3 points [-]

persons before humans before genders before races before cultures

Not sure about the ordering of the last three.

Comment author: [deleted] 16 July 2012 08:52:39AM -1 points [-]

Yeah, it's an anthropic principle thing, it is more likely that a human is a woman than a Caucasian (the five or so genetic races, in case that wasn't clear), and again, not all Asians are say, Chinese culture.

Comment author: [deleted] 17 July 2012 11:26:53AM *  2 points [-]

I don't see how “we should be persons before humans before genders before races before cultures, at least morally” (emphasis added) follows from that.

ETA: Plus, are you sure that among “the five or so genetic races” there isn't [one] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid) that exceeds 50% of the population? (How do you count cross-breeds, anyway?)