Alicorn comments on Sayeth the Girl - Less Wrong

47 Post author: Alicorn 19 July 2009 10:24PM

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Comment author: Alicorn 20 July 2009 04:07:27AM 1 point [-]

Does this mean you are okay with the goal of picking up women, as long as you do not use particular techniques to do so?

I have no ethical problems with the desire to have no-strings-attached sex with people of any description. I simply require that this be pursued honestly and non-coercively.

It seems to me that pickup artists are merely trying to compete with men who are naturally charismatic and charming.

I also have no ethical problem with people trying to become more charismatic and charming.

does your employment of open honesty contain other signals i.e. does it carry the signal "You should give my request for praise more weight because I am visibly being honest and not trying to bait you into it"?

No, not really. Or if it does, that's an accident. I started doing my intention-announcement when I decided that if I was going to get annoyed at other people wanting me to read their minds, I'd better provide the courtesy I wanted to them. I did not wish to become one of the people whose interpersonal relationships were plagued with arguments that wind up culminating in "Well, why didn't you just say so?" If I seek praise, I announce it. Other people may or may not care about my seeking, and may or may not indulge my desire. This gives me information about their dispositions towards me, instead of confused feedback that might reflect on either that or their level of telepathic ability.

It's possible that I'm being unintentionally manipulative, and if that is the case, I would like to stop. If you have suggestions about how I can signify all and only the things I think I'm signifying in my sample statements and statements like them, I'd welcome the input.

Comment author: Dustin 20 July 2009 10:31:09PM 5 points [-]

For reference, I would find your method to be manipulative. I also don't think you're being manipulative on purpose (or at least I don't have any data to think you are or aren't).

I don't think there is a fully general way to request praise without manipulation. It's going to depend on each person's life experiences and how they view you.

Comment author: thomblake 20 July 2009 04:11:53AM 3 points [-]

For reference, I didn't find it particularly manipulative, though I also don't appreciate attempts at telepathy.