CuSithBell comments on Timeless Decision Theory: Problems I Can't Solve - Less Wrong

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Comment author: CuSithBell 17 June 2011 01:12:45AM 0 points [-]

What if it's offered just once - but if the coin comes up tails, Omega simulates a universe in which it came up heads, asks you this question, then acts based on your response? (Do whatever you like to ignore anthropics... say, Omega always simulates the opposite result, at the appropriate time.)

Comment author: Matt_Young 17 June 2011 01:23:18AM 0 points [-]

To be clear:

  • Are both I and my simulation told this is a one-time offer?

  • Is a simulation generated whether the real coin is heads or tails?

  • Are both my simulation and I told that one of us is a simulation?

  • Does the simulation persist after the choice is made?

I suppose the second and fourth points don't matter particularly... as long as the first and third are true, then I consider it plus EV to pay the $1000.

Comment author: CuSithBell 17 June 2011 01:44:12AM 0 points [-]

Should you pay the money even if you're not told about the simulations, because Omega is a good predictor (perhaps because it's using simulations)?

Comment author: Matt_Young 17 June 2011 01:48:12AM *  0 points [-]

If I judge the probability that I am a simulation or equivalent construct to be greater than 1/499500, yes.

(EDIT: Er, make that 1/999000, actually. What's the markup code for strikethrough 'round these parts?)

(EDIT 2: Okay, I'm posting too quickly. It should be just 10^-6, straight up. If I'm a figment then the $1000 isn't real disutility.)

(EDIT 3: ARGH. Sorry. 24 hours without sleep here. I might not be the sim, duh. Correct calculations:

u(pay|sim) = 10^6; u(~pay|sim) = 0; u(pay|~sim) = -1000; u(~pay|~sim) = 0

u(~pay) = 0; u(pay) = P(sim) * 10^6 - P(~sim) * (1000) = 1001000 * P(sim) - 1000

pay if P(sim) > 1/1001.

Double-checking... triple-checking... okay, I think that's got it. No... no... NOW that's got it.)