timtyler comments on Timeless Decision Theory: Problems I Can't Solve - Less Wrong

39 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 20 July 2009 12:02AM

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Comment author: orthonormal 20 July 2009 05:47:04AM 0 points [-]

What you just described is group selection, and thus highly unlikely.

It's to your individual benefit to be more (unconsciously) selfish and calculating in these situations, whether the other people in your group have a fairness drive or not.

Comment author: timtyler 20 July 2009 07:39:00AM 2 points [-]

...and if your companions have circuitry for detecting and punishing selfish behaviour - what then? That's how the "fairness drive" is implemented - get mad and punish cheaters until it hurts. That way, cheaters learn that crime doesn't pay - and act fairly.

Comment author: orthonormal 20 July 2009 05:27:15PM 0 points [-]

I agree. But you see how this individual selection pressure towards fairness is different from the group selection pressure that dclayh was actually asserting?

Comment author: timtyler 20 July 2009 07:17:23PM -1 points [-]

You and EY seem to be the people who are talking about group selection.