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I wasn't aware we were arguing metaethics at that level here, so a charge of begging the question seems entirely out of line.
That what is good comes from the sort of thing that one is, is not all that controversial. It's actually one thing I didn't have to explain or defend at all in my thesis on ethics, but as always your panel may vary. Let's go through a few candidate explanations of the good:
I'm leaving out explanations of the good such as Divine Command Theory and Ethical Nihilism since I assume you wouldn't buy into them anyway.
In each of these cases, what is good comes from what it is to be human. Our nature is the grounding of value, and to ignore a major part of our nature is sure to lead one astray when seeking out the good.
Did you have another idea in mind for what constitutes goodness?
That's not begging the question either, though I suppose it might be if it was stated more clearly. Does anyone actually argue that, anyway?
No. I did not argue that our nature is good. That would indeed seem circular.
Sorry, were you using 'begging the question' in the colloquial sense this whole time? I'd assumed not, since you referred to Aristotle. If not, please point out where I'd initially set out to prove that "part of our nature" equals "certainly bad" to "discard". I'd initially used (something like) that as a premise and not my conclusion!
If you see what I'm doing as "just babbling" then I don't see how you even have anything to argue against. You're being disingenuous, at best. That I'm taking fairly standard philosophical views and arguing using logic should not equate to "just babbling".
But since that's precisely the thing we're arguing about, to present it as your premise is begging the question, per the definition I quoted.
In addition to that, it's not even relevant. I could equally say, "what is bad comes from the sort of thing that one is", and use this to prove that we should discard bad feelings. So stating it isn't actually reducing the original problem in any way.
Actually, given most philosophy I've seen, I'd say that'd be a pretty fair assessment. ;-)