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Comment author: Alicorn 21 July 2009 08:03:49PM *  6 points [-]

Be a rationalist and get over it

I am extremely leery of rationalism being used as a reason not to feel things.

giving people what they actually want, without injecting your own ideas of that.

I would just like to say that among the things most likely to make me want to scream at someone is when they try to give me what they think I want, or what they would want, or what most people superficially similar to me want, instead of what I tell them I want. In words. Out loud.

Comment author: pjeby 21 July 2009 08:22:03PM *  1 point [-]

I am extremely leery of rationalism being used as a reason not to feel things.

And I'm extremely confused by your reference here to my post, which was an attempt to illustrate the dangers of allowing your thought process to be driven by your emotions, and to illustrate a tool for identifying whether that is happening (i.e., observing somatic markers).

When I say "get over it", I don't mean "don't pay attention to your feeling", I mean, "pay careful attention to this signal you aren't thinking or behaving rationally, and do whatever it takes to change your thinking in such a way that the feeling does not arise in the first place."

That is, when you can think about the subject in question without the somatic marker of "ick", then you will know you've successfully removed whatever cached thought was making you feel that way. The "ick" does not exist in outside reality, it exists solely in your mind and body, and any attempt to justify it as existing in outside reality is prima facie bottom-line reasoning. That is, irrational.

Comment author: thomblake 21 July 2009 08:37:45PM 2 points [-]

which was an attempt to illustrate the dangers of allowing your thought process to be driven by your emotions

Wow. That post was particularly hard to read, but somehow I got the impression it was about quite the opposite.

Emotions are powerful tools, and should not be undervalued.

Comment author: pjeby 21 July 2009 09:51:21PM 2 points [-]

Somehow I got the impression it was about quite the opposite.

It said that your emotions control your thought process. It didn't say that was a good thing, it said it was a fact.

Emotions are powerful tools, and should not be undervalued.

Nor are they to be used inappropriately. Negative emotions in lasting doses are likely harmful to your health, as well as to your rationality. Depressed people aren't thinking rationally.