Vladimir_Nesov comments on Of Exclusionary Speech and Gender Politics - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 24 July 2009 10:33:07AM 1 point [-]

Similarly, I may have got over the moment of feeling excluded or whatever with no harm done. But what's the point in obscuring your message with little things like that, even if it probably won't affect all of your audience, when alternatives are just as good?

You don't usually get flame wars over bad writing. That needs to be explained, and the cause resolved.

Comment author: Emily 24 July 2009 10:42:44AM *  5 points [-]

You clearly haven't done much editing! :)

I see your point, but I think it's fairly easily explicable and works in both ways. No one feels specifically excluded by poor syntax! In the other direction: pointing out that someone has written a sentence with twisted syntax can be perceived as an attack on their writing skills, but pointing out that someone has written a sentence that might be exclusionary to certain people can be perceived as an attack on their character. The impulse to be more defensive over the latter is understandable.

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 24 July 2009 10:59:01AM 3 points [-]

pointing out that someone has written a sentence that might be exclusionary to certain people can be perceived as an attack on their character.

Which could lead to interesting arguments if it wasn't intended as an attack on their character.

I wonder if that's some of what was going on here?

Comment author: Emily 24 July 2009 11:03:26AM 0 points [-]

Exactly.

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