MrHen comments on Of Exclusionary Speech and Gender Politics - Less Wrong

62 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 21 July 2009 07:22AM

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Comment author: Furcas 24 July 2009 12:35:03AM *  5 points [-]

It's not about the amount of effort it takes, it's about this whole mentality that when a certain turn of phrase or writing style risks 'offending' or 'scaring off' a person, the one who has to give way is always the writer, never the reader. In other words, it's assumed that the responsibility lies with the writer to change his wording, rather than with the reader to see past the offending words to the meaning behind them.

The mentality described above is similar to the one that has forced anyone speaking in public to use the childish euphemism "n-word" instead of saying "nigger", even when it's obvious from the context that they're not expressing a racist sentiment. People will even say, "Hey, don't use the n-word, you racist!" They have to speak this way because, where the word "nigger" is concerned, it's universally believed that it's the speaker's responsibility to censor himself rather than the listener's responsibility to actually use his brain and understand what the other guy is saying.

I think this mentality is lazy and anti-rational. The way I see it, if you're offended by the superficiality rather than by the substance of my words, it's your problem, not mine. Being able to overlook the surface of a message (and suppressing whatever feeling of offense it may have triggered in you) is an essential skill to a rationalist, and skewing the balance in favor of easily offended readers can only cause its atrophy.

If you find the kind of monitoring Eliezer is advocating natural, go for it, but don't pester the rest of us about it.

Comment author: MrHen 24 July 2009 03:26:12PM 5 points [-]

I think we actually agree with each other more than it seems. I agree with the following:

  • Generally speaking, it is better to not offend than to offend
  • All other things being equal, use the non-offensive word
  • Worrying about not offending everyone is pointless and impossible
  • There is a line somewhere between avoiding potentially offensive words/language/topics and freaking out over every offense
  • Accept pointers about being less offensive when the less offensive route is rather trivial
  • Use common sense

Do you disagree on any particular point? The details are up for grabs, but the gist sounds right to me.