Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on An observation on cryocrastination - Less Wrong

9 Post author: AndrewH 22 July 2009 08:41PM

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Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 22 July 2009 09:41:09PM *  3 points [-]

I feel like Less Wrong isn't a good place to turn to marketing tactics if your rational argument fails

So what do you turn to on Less Wrong, when your rational argument fails for no apparent rational reason? The dilemma runs like this:

  1. I make my awesome rational argument for the expected benefit of doing X
  2. Rationalists on LW decline to do X because of reasons that look not-very-rational to me
  3. I try roundabout arguments to try and sneak past whatever bias is keeping people from getting with the program

At least, that's how it looks if you accept the pro-cryonics arguments. Either way, the lack of consensus (and action) on cryonics seems indicative to me of a substantial failure of rationality somewhere... but I'm not sure where.

ETA: I am not advocating the use of "marketing tactics" here, I'm trying to raise the question of what to do when you think your rational argument is triggering something like an absolute denial macro in other rationalists for unknown reasons. "Reconsider if your argument is correct" is a valid response, as is "give up for now".

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 23 July 2009 04:59:58AM 5 points [-]

Please don't overuse the concept "absolute denial macro". This refers to inability to notice your left arm is paralyzed. You're talking about strictly ordinary denial.

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 23 July 2009 10:40:44AM 2 points [-]

I was trying to use it in roughly the same sense that taw was in the post I linked to. Upon reflection, yes, it's silly in this context.

Comment author: Cyan 23 July 2009 05:24:44AM 0 points [-]

I'm uncomfortable with the reification of an "absolute denial macro", period. I think the observed behavior is more likely to be the product of a damage-induced cognitive deficit rather than some macro-like subroutine that gets activated inappropriately.