vinayak comments on The Nature of Offense - Less Wrong

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Comment author: vinayak 25 July 2009 08:18:22AM 1 point [-]

It will be nice to come up with a more precise definition of 'lowering the status'. For example, if some person treats me like a non-person, all he is doing is expressing his opinion about me being a non-person. This being the opinion of just one person, should not affect my status in the whole society and yet, I feel offended. So the first question is whether this should be called lowering of my status.

Also, let us assume that one person treating me like a non-person does lower my status in some way. Even then, shouting back at him and informing him that he is offending me and requesting him to take care not to offend me in future is obviously not a good way of gaining back the lost status. And yet, this is what comes naturally to most people's minds on being offended. Why is that so?

Comment author: tut 08 August 2009 12:33:50PM 6 points [-]

If somebody treats you like a nonperson one of two things is true. Either

1) You are a mere possession, and thus have a very low status or

2) the person treating you that way did something inappropriate.

Being offended and making a scene is a way to show that 2 is the case, and thus defend yourself against the decreased status.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 25 July 2009 07:50:31PM 3 points [-]

Shouting at him may not change his behavior, but it may be good for your status. It certainly tells onlookers something.

Comment author: BarbaraB 16 April 2012 08:13:39AM 2 points [-]

Actually, my experience is, that when I protest against the behaviour, which I perceive as somewhat offensive, the other party gets the message and either stops or at least becomes less intensively offensive. I try to protest in a peaceful manner, not shouting, or offending more, etc. The idea is, that sometimes people do not realize they make someone feel threatened for their social status. By protesting, I am giving them a feedback and a chance the war will not be initiated.

Funny enough, my boyfriend often believes, that by giving such a feedback, he is showing he feels threatened, makes himself more vulnerable and it is "not a good way of gaining back the lost status". Well, maybe there is a gender difference. My boyfriend also says, that women live in a different reality than men, because they are known to be generally less aggressive. As a consequence, they are perceived as less threatening in the social interactions, and people are just NICER to them. So there is still a possibility, that the peaceful protest, which often works very well for me, will not work for men. However, I suggest to give it a try.