gwern comments on Open Thread: August 2009 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: gwern 01 August 2009 11:43:53PM 0 points [-]

I agree. And it's too bad - there's a lot psychology has to say about mental focus and attention, about how high working memory leads to greater focus, etc.

Comment author: edragonu 02 August 2009 03:52:02PM 0 points [-]

what's focus for you? Really curious about how you define it :-)

Comment author: gwern 02 August 2009 03:55:21PM 0 points [-]

I define it practically: any mental state in which I'm able to score higher than usual playing Dual N-Back. Any more complex definition falling back on 'being able to suppress unwanted stimulus' or 'remembering in short-term or working memory that which is needed', seems too vague and begging the question for my taste.

Comment author: edragonu 02 August 2009 04:05:24PM 0 points [-]

That seems to me a definition of effectiveness, not focus.

Comment author: gwern 02 August 2009 07:05:35PM 0 points [-]

Mayhap effectiveness is focus. Two words may denote the same concept, after all. As I said, any other definition seems to be essentially 'having in one's mind only that which is wanted', which is not a definition at all. My scores on DNB are positively correlated with my subjective impressions of focus; it's good enough for me.

Comment author: Fetterkey 02 August 2009 05:07:02AM 0 points [-]

Do you have a link to some well-written material on the subject? You've piqued my curiosity.

Comment author: gwern 02 August 2009 09:10:57AM *  2 points [-]

There's nothing really written for the layman online (which I know of). You can start by googling for topics like 'latent inhibition' and research on meditation.

Genuine research papers-wise, you could join http://groups.google.com/group/brain-training to which group's files I have uploaded ~20 papers on various topics related to working memory and focus.

Important ones:

  • klingberg2004-workingmemory-increase-helps-adhd.pdf
  • mcvay2009-workingmemory-improves-focus.pdf
  • thorell2008-workingmemory-improves-attention.pdf
  • unsworthengle2008-wm-executive-focus.pdf
  • jaeggi2008-nback-increases-iq.pdf

EDIT: in the future, Google will be deleting Groups' Files. You will want to search around for where the collection has moved to; I keep local copies of the most important ones in my wiki, and I copied all files c. October 2010 to my Dropbox account.

Comment author: gwern 10 October 2010 02:10:24AM *  0 points [-]

In lieu of anything better, you can try my DNB FAQ which discusses the general subject: http://www.gwern.net/N-back%20FAQ