thomblake comments on Open Thread: August 2009 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: spriteless 04 August 2009 02:45:01AM 2 points [-]

What strategies do you people who aren't me have to detect lies? And by 'people who aren't me' I mean verbal people.

In order to understand what people are saying, even to parse sentences, I have to build a bit of a model of personality/motivation. This means I comprehend that one is building oneself up before I can even know what you think I should think highly of one for. The structure of dark arts is visible before the contents of the message: repetition of 'facts' in absence of evidence, comparing someone I don't like and someone one doesn't want me to like, intimidation for accusing one of wrong (Pavlov).

I tend to notice when people handle me, but I can't imagine how a verbal person thinks. That is my main defense, and I worry that I'll meet (have already met?) another like myself and have nothing else. How do you protect yourself from mental hijacking, those of you who have to work to do so?

Comment author: thomblake 04 August 2009 03:53:41PM 0 points [-]

I can't really parse what you said above, nor do I know what you mean by "a verbal person". What do you mean by "mental hijacking", and in what context are you asking about detecting lies?

I don't think I'm usually in a situation where I should expect someone might be lying to me.

Comment author: spriteless 04 August 2009 10:48:47PM *  0 points [-]

I can't really parse what you said above, nor do I know what you mean by "a verbal person".

I think in pictures. It is trying for me to turn these into words, or words into pictures.

What do you mean by "mental hijacking"

The tactics used by people with something to sell, or who otherwise want to control you: salespeople, priests, and politicians for example. Marketers and politicians know if you repeat something enough people will believe it. Narcissist know enough Pavlov to make their victim feel bad when accused, so they are less likely to accuse later, regardless of how deserved it is.

in what context are you asking about detecting lies?

I was in an office with a lot of rumors and politics. It only takes one playa' to turn a programming shop into that, sadly.

Comment author: thomblake 05 August 2009 12:02:33AM 0 points [-]

I was in an office with a lot of rumors and politics. It only takes one playa' to turn a programming shop into that, sadly.

Weird. I couldn't imagine participating in that sort of thing, but then I can't really imagine specifics about what you're talking about. I imagine that if anyone at my day job tried to engage in something other than programming ("rumors and politics" presumably don't involve programming) they'd be asked to stop, and fired if it kept up.

And every code commit is logged, so I don't see how anyone could be dishonest about that.