SilasBarta comments on Pain - Less Wrong

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Comment author: SilasBarta 02 August 2009 09:20:21PM -1 points [-]

The example doesn't show "pain that has no bad effects on decision-making". That excruciating pain you're going to put the brain through will fundamentally alter what decisions that brain will make, via diversion of its cognitive resources.

Perhaps you don't consider that effect on that brain's decision making to be bad. Why wouldn't you? If you're using the brain simulation to do human-level AI, you want it at its best. If you're researching how people respond to pain, then it can be good or bad depending on what the purpose of that research is.

Comment author: Wei_Dai 02 August 2009 09:27:16PM 0 points [-]

That excruciating pain you're going to put the brain through will fundamentally alter what decisions that brain will make, via diversion of its cognitive resources.

But I said that it's not connected to any motor nerves, so it has no decisions to make. Well, I suppose it can still decide what to think about, so let's say I also remove that ability and force its thoughts to drift randomly.

Comment author: SilasBarta 02 August 2009 09:31:02PM *  1 point [-]

But I said that it's not connected to any motor nerves, so it has no decisions to make.

Neither are most supercomputers connected to motor nerves, yet people are quite interested in their output!

Well, I suppose it can still decide what to think about, so let's say I also remove that ability and force its thoughts to drift randomly.

In that case, it's no longer clear if "pain" is even well-defined. Something whose thoughts truly drift randomly and are prevented from attaining any order ... is in a state of entropy; it does not even count as a control system, let alone life.