cousin_it comments on She Blinded Me With Science - Less Wrong

13 Post author: Jonathan_Graehl 04 August 2009 07:10PM

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Comment author: cousin_it 04 August 2009 09:18:18PM *  3 points [-]

Not to defend dishonest interpretations of science here, but... "heritability" sounds like a unfortunate choice of word for the concept described. It invites inadvertent misrepresentations.

I'm reminded of an old OB comment by Anatoly Vorobey that made the reasonable point that Kolmogorov complexity captures the human notion of "complexity" very lousily at best. (WTF, the whole universe is less complex than one planet within it?) So too it seems with "heritability". People clearly want a number that would describe "how much the over-all level of the trait is under genetic control, and... how much the trait can change under environmental interventions" - why can't the biologists just give them that?

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 04 August 2009 10:02:15PM 3 points [-]

Because there is no such number. More variance in the environment will mean "less heritability".

Comment author: cousin_it 05 August 2009 08:54:43AM *  0 points [-]

Fix: "...under the strongest environmental interventions known today".

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 05 August 2009 12:46:02PM *  0 points [-]

Have fun trying to define what is accepted as an "environmental intervention" and what isn't.

(Getting your head smashed in with a hammer will end up reducing your body weight rather quickly, so going by your suggestion obesity is 0% heritable.)

Comment author: cousin_it 05 August 2009 12:56:24PM *  0 points [-]

How about "malleability"? Obesity is malleable either way (overeating, liposuction). IQ is highly malleable downwards (hammer to head), not so much upwards (a year of schooling gives +2 points). Eye color, 0% malleable. Maybe take a derivative in effort/time/money to change a trait in the desired direction.

This will be both more useful socially and vastly easier to estimate than "heritability", if we accept Shalizi's proof that "heritability" is almost impossible to measure. By the way, the original post relies upon that proof.

Comment author: kess3r 04 August 2009 10:33:11PM 0 points [-]

Let's call it 'genetic determinism'.

Comment author: timtyler 04 August 2009 10:45:28PM -1 points [-]

Re: WTF, the whole universe is less complex than one planet within it?

Possible, but we don't know if that's true or not: the Kolmogorov complexity of the universe is not known.