timtyler comments on Would Your Real Preferences Please Stand Up? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: timtyler 09 August 2009 04:27:40PM *  0 points [-]

We do not have to choose between these two theories. Sometimes the conscious goals are best, and the unconscious procrastinates in an undesirable fashion. Sometimes the unconscious is doing what is best, while consciousness struggles to cover the actions with a veneer of acceptability, for example by dissassociating itself from them.

Comment author: huono_ekonomi 10 August 2009 09:06:41AM 0 points [-]

Few examples where "unconscious" beats "conscious" hands down are dancing and driving a car.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 10 August 2009 10:28:59AM *  1 point [-]

Few examples where "unconscious" beats "conscious" hands down are dancing and driving a car.

What is "unconscious" about either of those?

ETA: Both of them are physical and mental skills, deliberately learned. In this, they do not differ from learning yoga postures, learning a musical instrument, or learning any sport.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 10 August 2009 09:32:17PM 1 point [-]

You get better at yoga postures, playing a musical instrument, and playing sports when you do those things enough that the bits you commonly do over and over are picked up on by your subconscious so your conscious doesn't have to worry about them anymore. That's my guess.

Comment author: timtyler 10 August 2009 05:39:35PM *  -2 points [-]

A more classical example would be various kinds of illicit sex (underage, across marriage vows, etc). Probably good for the genes - but often needing some rationalisation in the face of conventional moral norms - and sometimes the indvidual's own sense of morality.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 10 August 2009 06:32:52PM 0 points [-]

You are thinking of different concepts from the ones discussed in the post. These are not conflicting goals or drives, these are different ways of implementing a skill: intuitive vs. deliberative (however they are properly called). Either of these can be deployed for the ends of either conscious or subconscious preferences.