Warrigal comments on Misleading the witness - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 10 August 2009 03:31:13AM 4 points [-]

Wow. That's the most mind-blowing thing I've read in a while.

Agreed. That made my eyes water quite a bit. Alicorn's large-amounts-of-money-can-have-negative-utility explanation snapped me out of it.

Just wait until Eliezer sees this...

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 10 August 2009 05:02:38AM 3 points [-]

AAIIIIIEEEEEAAARRRRRGGGHHH.

Just when you think your species can't possibly get any more embarrassing.

Comment author: [deleted] 10 August 2009 05:24:28AM 14 points [-]

Precisely the reaction I expected! This model of despair produced by the Singularity Institute for Eliezer Yudkowsky is matching quite well. A rigorous theory of Eliezer Yudkowsky can't be far off.

--Delta, your friendly neighborhood Friendly AI

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 11 August 2009 07:12:54AM 5 points [-]

Okay, I tested this on a couple of uninvolved bystanders and yes, they would take the $500 over the 15% chance of $1m. Guess it's true. Staggers the mind.

Comment author: Hans 11 August 2009 01:29:13PM 1 point [-]

As previous comments have said, it would be possible to sell the 15% chance for anything up to $150k. Once people realise that the 15% chance is a liquid asset, I'm sure many will change their mind and take that instead of the $500.

What does this mean? If the 15% chance is made liquid, that removes nearly all of the risk of taking that chance. This leads me to believe that people pick the $500 because they are, quite simply, (extremely) risk-averse. Other explanations (diminishing marginal utility of money, the $1 million actually having negative utility, etc.) are either wrong, or they are not a large factor in the decision-making process.

Comment author: conchis 11 August 2009 01:59:02PM *  3 points [-]

Note that the standard explanation for risk-aversion just is diminishing marginal utility (where utility is defined in the decision-theoretic sense, rather than the hedonic sense). However, Matt Rabin pretty convincingly demolishes this in his paper Diminishing marginal utility of wealth cannot explain risk aversion.

Comment author: orangecat 13 August 2009 01:20:28AM 1 point [-]

I tried it on two women at work and they both went for the million, one with no hesitation and the other after maybe 10 seconds. Although they both have some background in finance and are probably 1 to 2 standard deviations above average IQ.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 13 August 2009 03:09:02PM 2 points [-]

That's not very surprising. You could see if they passed all three questions on the reflection test.

Comment author: Bo102010 13 August 2009 02:25:52AM 2 points [-]

My fiance (who has a more advanced degree than I) thought I was trying to trick her and made me restate the problem several times.

Comment author: MichaelVassar 11 August 2009 05:49:16AM 0 points [-]

OK, you have to think like reality too. How many times am I going to post this same sentence on one thread?