cousin_it comments on The Sword of Good - Less Wrong

85 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 03 September 2009 12:53AM

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Comment author: AllanCrossman 03 September 2009 02:11:34PM 27 points [-]

I wonder if you might have seen this essay by David Brin...

Now ponder something that comes through even the party-line demonization of a crushed enemy -- this clear-cut and undeniable fact: Sauron's army was the one that included every species and race on Middle Earth, including all the despised colors of humanity, and all the lower classes.

Hmm. Did they all leave their homes and march to war thinking, "Oh, goody, let's go serve an evil Dark Lord"?

Or might they instead have thought they were the "good guys," with a justifiable grievance worth fighting for, rebelling against an ancient, rigid, pyramid-shaped, feudal hierarchy topped by invader-alien elfs and their Numenorean-colonialist human lackeys?

Picture, for a moment, Sauron the Eternal Rebel, relentlessly maligned by the victors of the War of the Ring -- the royalists who control the bards and scribes (and moviemakers). Sauron, champion of the common Middle Earthling! Vanquished but still revered by the innumerable poor and oppressed who sit in their squalid huts, wary of the royal secret police with their magical spy-eyes, yet continuing to whisper stories, secretly dreaming and hoping that someday he will return ... bringing more rings.

Comment author: cousin_it 03 September 2009 02:51:41PM *  2 points [-]

Nick Perumov wrote a huge fan-sequel to LOTR in exactly this vein. In the end the new rebel leader (who started out pretty good and gathered races with legitimate grievances) zbecuf vagb n zbafgre orpnhfr ur'q hfrq gur anmthyf' yrsgbire evatf gb tnva fgeratgu, naq hcba ernyvmvat gung ur fheeraqref gb gur cebgntbavfg gb trg xvyyrq.

EDIT: rot13'd the spoilers. Which doesn't mean I recommend reading the book!

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 03 September 2009 07:54:26PM 4 points [-]

Please edit this to rot13 the spoilers. You don't say: "X wrote a wonderful story and here's the ending", just "X wrote a wonderful story and here's the link".

Comment author: dclayh 03 September 2009 06:36:23PM 1 point [-]

Where can I read this?

Comment author: cousin_it 03 September 2009 07:40:04PM 1 point [-]

I don't advise you to, and anyway who'd translate a Russian fanfic into English and put it online?

Comment author: [deleted] 23 October 2010 03:19:12PM 0 points [-]

Google Translate? Assuming there was a digital copy, anyways.