dfranke comments on The Sword of Good - Less Wrong

85 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 03 September 2009 12:53AM

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Comment author: dfranke 03 September 2009 08:06:15PM 2 points [-]

I saw what was coming when I got to the bit about the wormarium and Dolf's hyperbolic reaction to it. Are my moral instincts just really warped relative to the norm, or do others agree with me that this was way too obvious?

Comment author: dclayh 03 September 2009 08:31:53PM 2 points [-]

Yeah, I already wrote above that the ending was telegraphed: I pretty much concluded that the "Lord of Dark" was going to be a nice guy about the time they murdered the first wizard with absolutely no explanation of why he deserved it.

Comment author: dfranke 03 September 2009 08:53:42PM 14 points [-]

It's a convention of fantasy and science fiction that there can exist sentient races which are, by their very nature, inimical to mankind, and can therefore be justifiably killed on sight. In principle, there's no reason why such creatures can't actually exist. So that scene didn't set off any alarm bells for me. The first thing that made me look askew was that Hirou's company included both a pirate and a thief, and the wormarium was my confirmation.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 03 September 2009 10:48:13PM 7 points [-]

It's a convention of fantasy and science fiction that there can exist sentient races which are, by their very nature, inimical to mankind, and can therefore be justifiably killed on sight

And by the way, I'm willing to buy that. Hirou's sin is that he didn't actually buy it, as in, pay for the conclusion, if you see what I mean.

Comment author: dfranke 03 September 2009 10:53:59PM 4 points [-]

No, I don't. Can you clarify?

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 03 September 2009 10:59:06PM 14 points [-]

Hirou didn't bother to verify that the orcs actually were irredeemably evil, which is possible, but you would have to see evidence. Hirou just saw something physically ugly, and his social surroundings expected him to kill them. But the view which he acted-as-if-believed was possible, it simply wasn't true. Arguably my Orthodox Jewish parents committed more blatant mistakes - if far more theoretical mistakes - in endorsing God's murder of the Egyptian firstborn.