LucasSloan comments on The Sword of Good - Less Wrong

85 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 03 September 2009 12:53AM

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Comment author: LucasSloan 04 September 2009 12:23:15AM 4 points [-]

After reading the whole thing, I'm appalled that my only thought against the enforced morality was approximately "they're just worms.." And then immediately accepting the characters' disgust.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 04 September 2009 01:56:33AM 12 points [-]

FYI, part of the inspiration for this was reading the referenced XKCD and realizing I hadn't gotten that - albeit I first watched The Princess Bride as a child, which may have something to do with it. But yeah, although I seem more resistant to moral dissonance than average - probably more because my mind generally tries to visualize things as real, than out of any innate superethics - I'm still vulnerable to it, and that's part of the horror.

So of course I wanted to share that horror with the rest of you!

Comment author: Alicorn 04 September 2009 02:11:07AM 17 points [-]

The inability to suspend moral disbelief is one of many things that can interfere with the enjoyment of basically good fiction. When I am screaming at characters that they FAIL ETHICS FOREVER, I'm rarely having fun.

Comment author: CronoDAS 04 September 2009 05:34:13AM *  11 points [-]

Characters who FAIL ETHICS FOREVER can still be entertaining. For example, plenty of villains clearly have little regard for ethics. Authors who FAIL ETHICS FOREVER are usually less desirable. For example, Terry Goodkind. I've rarely felt personally insulted by a work of fiction, but, well, Naked Empire somehow managed to contain the purest, unadulterated essence of Ethics Fail I've ever encountered - it even managed to contradict the explicit moral lessons of the earlier books in the series!

Comment author: LucasSloan 04 September 2009 05:23:18AM *  8 points [-]

I agree that screaming at characters that they FAIL ETHICS FOREVER can interrupt enjoyment of a story, but it is far worse to never realize that their actions are, in fact, contemptible.

Comment author: Alicorn 04 September 2009 04:47:06PM 5 points [-]

Oh, I agree - but I try to postpone this contemplation until after I've finished the story, if I can.

Comment author: MichaelVassar 05 September 2009 03:47:26AM 1 point [-]

No, maybe disgusting, definitely enraging, but usuallynot contemptible. Agamemnon is an exception, but he's pretty much the villain in a story without clear villains. Odysseus is heroic in the extreme, not contemptible, but his heroism has nothing to do with good intentions or outcomes, only with displaying his desirability as an ally.