Nornagest comments on The Sword of Good - Less Wrong

85 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 03 September 2009 12:53AM

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Comment author: nick012000 23 October 2010 04:36:14PM 3 points [-]

In writing it's even simpler - the author gets to create the whole social universe, and the readers are immersed in the hero's own internal perspective. And so anything the heroes do, which no character notices as wrong, won't be noticed by the readers as unheroic. Genocide, mind-rape, eternal torture, anything.

Not true. If you've got some time to kill, read this thread on The Fanfiction Forum; long story short, a guy who's quite possibly psychopathic writes a story wherein Naruto is turned into a self-centered, hypocritical bastard who happily mindrapes every woman around him, and the people on the forum spend 60-odd pages lambasting him.

Comment author: Nornagest 09 January 2011 10:07:54AM 4 points [-]

People are a lot more willing to criticize the morality of the story if they didn't find the story itself to be competently written. Notice the amount of social criticism that's been leveled at Twilight.

Seems to work the other way if the story's written to convince people of a moral point, though.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 09 January 2011 12:11:42PM 1 point [-]

I.e., agree with the morals -> don't notice the bad writing?

Comment author: Nornagest 09 January 2011 08:56:35PM 5 points [-]

Agree with the morals -> enjoy reading crude stereotypes of your moral opponents. Get enough enjoyment from that and the story's a net positive even if it has no other redeeming qualities.

Comment author: ikrase 26 October 2013 02:34:49PM -1 points [-]

I think proximity also matters. There are no modern romantic heroes, but there are modern heartthrobs with questionable gender politics.