TheOtherDave comments on The Sword of Good - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 28 April 2012 02:25:39PM 0 points [-]

...though it's worth keeping in mind that the usual connotations of "my fault" don't necessarily apply. For example, if lots of other people also know how to get that power, then it's also equally lots of other people's fault.

Comment author: MarkusRamikin 28 April 2012 02:45:33PM 0 points [-]

Yeah, of course. Not to mention the actual direct perpetrators of the evils themselves.

Comment author: TimS 28 April 2012 04:37:56PM 0 points [-]

Law makes a distinction between but-for cause and proximate cause. All proximate causes are but-for causes, but not all but-for causes are proximate causes. The distinction exists to differentiate effects of one's acts that one is responsible for and effects that are not one's responsibility.

Comment author: chaosmosis 28 April 2012 05:29:56PM *  2 points [-]

Unless you're talking about the act-omission distinction I don't see how this doesn't blatantly contradict what "MarkusRamikin" was saying. "Every evil and wrong thing that happens in the world is your fault" vs. "effects that are not one's responsibility". But you don't make an argument that the law or the act-omission distinction is justified so I don't understand what your comment was trying to do. Are you just criticizing the way the legal system works?

Comment author: TimS 28 April 2012 05:51:51PM 0 points [-]

Yes, American law disagrees with the position MarcusRamikin appears to be articulating. Under American law, Alice can do something wrong, that act can harm Bob, and Alice will not be responsible for the harm if her act was not a proximate cause of Bob's injury.

The wikipedia article lays it out pretty well. In the cases the article cites, X erred in operating a boat, damaging a bridge and therefore disrupting the commerce along the river. X was held liable for the damage to the bridge, but not the losses from disruption of the commerce. Even though X was not held (financially) responsible, no one thinks that X did not cause the disruption of the river traffic.