wedrifid comments on When Willpower Attacks - Less Wrong

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Comment author: wedrifid 03 October 2009 05:36:52PM 2 points [-]

The boost to alertness and general stimulatory properties more than compensate. Learning is improved over baseline (in non extreme sleep deprivation scenarios). Of course, some memory effects are easier to study than others. I don't recall what impact it has on skill acquisition.

Something I am more wary of is that forgetting may be impaired. The process of filtering through memories, sifting out the useful abstractions and discarding the crap is a fairly important part of sleep. I love having extremely retentive memory but I don't necessarily think it is healthy!

On the health side of things, taking Modafinil and cutting down on sleep doesn't make you sick on it's own if you are otherwise healthy. But it isn't without physical costs. Many users (including myself) note that you need to be in far more in touch with your own physiology. If you've turned the safety mechanism off and don't take care to monitor your health and force sleep when you need it you will wear yourself down over a couple of weeks. This means that you will be more vulnerable to the effects of stress and less able to recover from intense exercise.

Comment author: gwern 05 October 2009 05:26:32PM 0 points [-]

Many users (including myself) note that you need to be in far more in touch with your own physiology. If you've turned the safety mechanism off and don't take care to monitor your health and force sleep when you need it you will wear yourself down over a couple of weeks.

Thanks for the advice; I'd just started modafinil and thought I only needed to make sure I was eating enough. What about your health needs monitoring?

Comment author: wedrifid 05 October 2009 06:37:40PM 0 points [-]

Unless you are far more responsible than I you have experienced the effects of a period of sleep deprivation over multiple days. Now, forget the cognitive impairment. Forget the vulnerable mood and the constant urge to sleep. Moadifinil takes cares of those.

But there's other effects, more physiological, that are sometimes only noticeable after a few days of this self abuse. A somewhat paler face. Fatigued eyes (bloodshot or dry). A hint in the throat, almost a cough. Basically, whatever you usually get when you are run down. If you add more physical (too much exercise?) or emotional stressors with an unlucky exposure to a pathogen then watch out.

Just something to watch out for if you rely on higher doses over a period of weeks. Basically, just add 'sleep' and 'rest' to 'food' and it's fine. Easy to forget if you don't feel the need for any of them.

Comment author: gwern 05 October 2009 07:41:23PM *  0 points [-]

A hint in the throat, almost a cough.

You're right! I hadn't even noticed that I was starting to sound like Leonard Cohen.