jimrandomh comments on When Willpower Attacks - Less Wrong

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Comment author: jimrandomh 03 October 2009 06:25:57PM 0 points [-]

Both cases of sleep and hunger are demonstrably untrue, for we can turn off those systems (with modafinil for sleep, and ECA stack for hunger), and there are few ill effects.

The fact that we can alter our psychology with drugs does not change what that psychology is. We can also eliminate or cause many emotions and perceptions, and will probably learn to do so with for a larger variety of cases and with less side effects as time goes on. These drugs are properly considered as an extension of willpower, not a counterexample to it.

These systems are horribly misregulated, and cause more problems than they save from.

It only seems that way because of availability bias; we only know these systems when they go awry.

Comment author: taw 03 October 2009 10:35:28PM 2 points [-]

Oh no, we can take marginal view. If sleepiness was slightly more severe, it would kill more people due to diminished attention. If it was slightly less severe, nobody would die due to sleep deprivation, and plenty of lives would be saved.

By this marginal argument, it's misregulated. It doesn't mean it would be useless at some different point.

Comment author: gwern 06 October 2009 11:30:54PM *  0 points [-]

Or we could apply Nick Bostrom's evolutionary heuristics and say that the systems were regulated fine for older environments, but not modern ones.

This is obviously true for food in 1st World countries, and plausibly true for sleep. (If calories are nearly free & electrical lighting universal, then the safe-place/low-energy rationale holds much less water.)

Comment author: anonym 04 October 2009 07:47:32PM 0 points [-]

These drugs are properly considered as an extension of willpower, not a counterexample to it.

These drugs don't extend willpower, they alter the system 1 defaults so that willpower is no longer needed, for there is nothing to be overcome.