PhilGoetz comments on The Twin Webs of Knowledge - Less Wrong

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Comment author: SforSingularity 28 August 2009 07:20:38PM 0 points [-]

This is true, to some extent.

We are able to make small changes to human nature, including our own nature. Just how far do you think that can be taken, though? Can a lazy person recognize that they are lazy and go on to become a millionaire?

Comment author: PhilGoetz 29 August 2009 06:43:22PM *  0 points [-]

I can think of 6 of my friends who became multi-millionaires at a young age. 4 of them got wild lucky breaks with stock options; 1 of them inherited it; 1 of them worked for 10 years to build a large company starting from nothing, which I think he still owns 50% of (the other 50% being owned by his initial angel investor).

So, 5 out of these 6 millionaires got there almost completely by luck. Ironically, at least 2 of these 5 are absolutely convinced that anyone in the US who is smart and works hard will become a millionaire.

Comment author: SforSingularity 29 August 2009 07:32:07PM 2 points [-]

So, 5 out of these 6 millionaires got there almost completely by luck

that 5 of your friends all got very lucky seems very unlikely to me. Perhaps you have a biased sample of intelligent, motivated friends (i.e. more intelligent and motivated than average).

Comment author: saturn 30 August 2009 10:35:45AM *  1 point [-]

that 5 of your friends all got very lucky seems very unlikely to me.

Perhaps Phil prefers making friends with people who are already millionaires.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 31 August 2009 11:18:09PM *  -1 points [-]

It was not just luck in the stock-options cases. They wouldn't have gotten lucky if they weren't capable, motivated people. So, biased sample, yes. But, still, lucky.

saturn - No, I didn't initially know that they were millionaires.

Comment author: SforSingularity 31 August 2009 11:22:40PM 1 point [-]

So, biased sample, yes. But, still, lucky.

how do you know? Do you have 5 other capable, motivated friends who shot for millionairedom and failed over and over again?

Comment author: pjeby 29 August 2009 10:22:20PM 1 point [-]

Ironically, at least 2 of these 5 are absolutely convinced that anyone in the US who is smart and works hard will become a millionaire.

Which two?