dfranke comments on Outlawing Anthropics: An Updateless Dilemma - Less Wrong

26 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 08 September 2009 06:31PM

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Comment author: dfranke 08 September 2009 07:19:15PM 4 points [-]

I read this and told myself that it only takes five minutes to have an insight. Five minutes later, here's what I'm thinking:

Anthropic reasoning is confusing because it treats consciousness as a primitive. By doing so, we're committing LW's ultimate no-no: assuming an ontologically fundamental mental state. We need to find a way to reformulate anthropic reasoning in terms Solomonoff induction. If we can successfully do so, the paradox will dissolve.

Comment author: timtyler 09 September 2009 09:16:50AM 1 point [-]

Anthropic reasoning is confusing - probably because we are not used to doing it much in our ancestral environment.

I don't think you can argue it treats consciousness as a primitive, though. Anthropic reasoning is challenging - but not so tricky that machines can't do it.

Comment author: CarlShulman 09 September 2009 06:32:54PM 0 points [-]

It involves calculating a 'correct measure' of how many partial duplicates of a computation exist:

www.nickbostrom.com/papers/experience.pdf

Anthropics does involve magical categories.

Comment author: timtyler 09 September 2009 06:43:23PM -2 points [-]

Right - but that's "Arthur C Clark-style magic" - stuff that is complicated and difficult - not the type of magic associated with mystical mumbo-jumbo.

We can live with some of the former type of magic - and it might even spice things up a bit.

Comment author: SforSingularity 08 September 2009 08:46:44PM 0 points [-]

need to find a way to reformulate anthropic reasoning in terms Solomonoff induction

I fail to see how solomonoff can reduce ontologically basic mental states.