Wei_Dai comments on Let Them Debate College Students - Less Wrong

46 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 09 September 2009 06:15PM

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Comment author: Wei_Dai 09 September 2009 09:36:05PM 14 points [-]

For a creationist to publicly debate a college student is to admit that his or her status is roughly on par with that of a college student. Why would any creationist do that? And I'm sure they can come up with a better excuse than "I'm afraid to lose to a student."

Michael Behe seems to be a full professor. Has any professor ever formally debated a college student (excepting classroom instruction), in the history of academics?

Comment author: Emile 10 September 2009 09:04:21AM 4 points [-]

The creationists are free to send college students too.

Comment author: DanArmak 10 September 2009 11:03:26AM 5 points [-]

And that highlights the problem: these debates are won or lost on emotion and social cues, and have little to do with truth. Certainly any scientist could win against a creationist college student on facts and reason. But that's not what the debate will be about.

There's no one to adjudicate the debates and declare a winner (that is, no one both sides could possibly agree on), including the scientific or Bayesian method. Because of this the progression of debating higher-level opponents (on either side) won't work. In almost every debate both sides will declare that they have won.

Comment author: thomblake 09 September 2009 09:54:27PM 3 points [-]

I don't have a link, but it happens all the time. A few years ago at SCSU we had a formal debate on something or other (legalization of marijuana?) that involved both professors and one or two students.

Comment author: komponisto 09 September 2009 10:00:16PM 2 points [-]

Since the scientific community prides itself on its supposition that even the highest-ranked scientist could in principle be proved wrong by a student, one would expect such debates to happen now and then. Otherwise the scientific community isn't living up to its own ethos.

Comment author: SilasBarta 10 September 2009 03:00:51AM *  6 points [-]

Otherwise the scientific community isn't living up to its own ethos.

The scientific community? Not adhering to the standards of science when it might cost members status? Stop the presses![1]

[1] Or invoke whatever procedure is now used to cancel a current ongoing print run of newspapers under modern production methods.