DanArmak comments on Let Them Debate College Students - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DanArmak 10 September 2009 10:50:08AM 1 point [-]

I agree. But that describes the average creationist-follower. I was talking about the kind of high-profile creationists who work full-time at promoting their ideas that tend to be mentioned on Pharyngula. From the descriptions there of what they say and do, I have gained the impression that they often lie; e.g., by presenting an argument while ignoring and never answering the objections given at previous debates; or by saying unsupported things like "evolution is the subject of a controversy in science".

I don't live in or near the US, and all I know about US-specific creationists I learned from anti-creationist sources like Pharyngula, Dawkins' books, etc. So taking them as examples, I'm disproportionately aware of the highest-profile creationists. But they at least do certainly lie.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 10 September 2009 11:45:22PM *  0 points [-]

Are you saying that it is not the case that "evolution is the subject of a controversy in science"?

Comment author: DanArmak 11 September 2009 12:00:18AM 2 points [-]

Yes, in the sense used (or implied) by creationists. It is not the case that there is significant disagreement among scientists (or among facts) about the proposition that the diversity of life on earth developed entirely by a process of evolution involving (mostly random) variation and (at least some) fitness selection.