NancyLebovitz comments on Solutions to Political Problems As Counterfactuals - Less Wrong

37 Post author: Yvain 25 September 2009 05:21PM

You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.

Comments (36)

You are viewing a single comment's thread. Show more comments above.

Comment author: SforSingularity 25 September 2009 07:51:40PM *  34 points [-]

it seems to be a game in which you counterfactually propose different states of the "government policy" node and explain why these would have the best effects, and whoever can give the best explanation gets rewarded with higher status.

no, no. The game is to counterfactually propose different states of the "government policy" node that involve making the government conform more to some ideology X, and then confabulate reasons why this would result in great success. In doing this, you signal your allegiance to ideology X.

But really, the game can work with pretty much anything in the place of the "government policy" node; it can be pretty much any decisionmaking entity, including the companies or diffuse classes of individuals. E.g.

"If binge drinkers went to church more, then they would find the inner strength to overcome the addiction!" (signalling religious allegiance)

"Binge drinkers have the right to run their own lives, the government should keep its hands off them!" (signalling libertarian allegiance)

"Binge drinkers usually come from deprived families and had poor childhoods, it isn't their fault, it's the government's fault for not having enough social welfare!" (signalling liberal allegiance)

"Binge drinking is caused by the breakdown of traditional family values, we need a return to the good-old-fashioned traditional family values!" (Signalling conservative allegiance)

"Binge drinking could be prevented by human neuroenhancements that prevented alcohol from being addictive, we should push for faster research into such technology!" (Signalling h+ allegiance)

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 25 September 2009 09:20:47PM 4 points [-]

The tech might already exist, but prejudices, inertia, and the lack of a strong financial incentive have kept it from being adequately tested.

Maybe if people would eat more fish oil they'd be more mentally flexible.

Comment author: SforSingularity 25 September 2009 09:39:41PM *  1 point [-]

<HANSIONAIN CYNICISM>Great! now that we've both signalled our allegiance to the h+ ideology, would you like to mate with me!? </HANSIONAIN CYNICISM>

for an explanation of why I call this "Hansonian", see, for example, this. Hanson has lots of posts on how charity, ideology, etc is all about affiliating with a tribe and finding mates.

Comment author: eirenicon 25 September 2009 09:55:12PM *  1 point [-]

Hansionain, twice? Really?

As an aside, I love what you get when you google Hansonian. Most of the top results are in reference to Robin Hanson, and among my favorites are "Hansonian Normality", the "Hansonian world", and "Hansonian robot growth". (Un?)Fortunately, "Hansonian abduction" is attributed to a different Hanson.

I wish my name was an adjective.

Comment author: jimmy 26 September 2009 06:15:28PM 0 points [-]

That website just had claims of "It works!" which by itself isn't all that credible.

How do we know it actually works? Whats the theory behind it?

Comment author: Wei_Dai 26 September 2009 06:40:49PM 3 points [-]

From http://www.olivierameisen.com/faq

A Baclofen is one of only two substances known to affect the GABA-B receptor in the brain, and the only one that is itself non-addictive. Through the GABA-B receptor, baclofen has a beneficial effect on three neurotransmitters — dopamine, glutamate, and GABA — that are part of the brain’s reward system and are involved in all addictive and compulsive behaviors, as well as in disorders such as anxiety and depression. More research is needed to discover exactly how baclofen does this.

Comment author: jimmy 26 September 2009 09:46:46PM *  2 points [-]

Wow, that really didn't take much legwork. I guess I should have at least looked that far.

Speaking of promising solutions that won't catch on due to predjudices, inertia, and lack of financial incenives, "Psychedelics" (loosely defined) are also pretty effectiveat this if used right.