SilasBarta comments on Reason as memetic immune disorder - Less Wrong

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Comment author: CronoDAS 22 September 2009 07:53:40PM 15 points [-]

I have a theory that "radical Islam" is not native Islam, but Westernized Islam. Over half of 75 Muslim terrorists studied by Bergen & Pandey 2005 in the New York Times had gone to a Western college. (Only 9% had attended madrassas.) A very small percentage of all Muslims have received a Western college education. When someone lives all their life in a Muslim country, they're not likely to be hit with the urge to travel abroad and blow something up. But when someone from an Islamic nation goes to Europe for college, and comes back with Enlightenment ideas about reason and seeking logical closure over beliefs, and applies them to the Koran, then you have troubles. They have lost their cultural immunity.

Another relevant fact is that, for most of Islam's history, Islamic nations were militarily equal or superior to anyone that they were likely to come into contact with. Islam was a religion founded by conquerers, not by the conquered, and being in a position of profound weakness compared to Western (Christian/Jewish/secular) civilization is something that's simply never happened to them before. Radical Islam could very well be simply the Islam of the fourteenth century faithfully reproduced in the modern era, and the fact that it tends to involve suicide bombings instead of conquering armies is a matter of circumstance rather than ideology. I suspect that, if the Christianity of the fourteenth century, or the Judaism of the first century, were to be faithfully reproduced today, it would be equally horrifying.

Comment author: SilasBarta 22 September 2009 08:06:16PM 9 points [-]

I'm not so sure. One point Sam Harris has made (can't find the source atm) is that the Lebanese are in roughly the same position with respect to Israel as the Palestinians, but the Lebanese are predominately Christian rather than Muslim, and commit almost no terrorist acts. Harris argues that it's like a lab experiment where you put two oppressed peoples next to each other, but with different religions and watch what happens.

Comment author: CronoDAS 22 September 2009 08:10:29PM *  9 points [-]

Sam Harris actually specifically cites Palestinian Christians. (Who do exist.)

Comment author: CronoDAS 22 September 2009 08:13:45PM *  4 points [-]

Well, maybe not equally horrifying, but still horrifying. You might not be aware of this, but the infamous "Spanish Inquisition" was a relatively humane law enforcement organization when compared to standard practices in the the rest of Europe.

Comment author: jhuffman 27 October 2011 09:31:32PM 1 point [-]

Is there any reason to think Lebanese Christians are more similar to 14th century christians than to modern western christians?