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Comment author: nazgulnarsil 07 July 2011 05:54:39PM 9 points [-]

If we're so smart why do we spend our whole attention on the informational content of messages and not the context under which they're being communicated?

I've only realized that this is a big part of my problem recently.

Comment author: Zed 08 July 2011 08:48:51AM *  4 points [-]

This may be stating the obvious, but the context often IS the informational content. Small talk especially has no surface level informational content so the goal of small talk isn't, obviously, to exchange surface level information.

This is another one of those situations where it's tempting (but wrong) to reason "Regular people like small talk. Small talk doesn't convey any information. Therefore small talk is pointless. Conclusion: regular people are insane and like to waste their time with pointless stuff". Funnily enough, when we try to figure out the behavior of other mammals we would never be so quick jump to the conclusion that they are idiots.

Comment author: Wei_Dai 09 July 2011 08:57:51AM 1 point [-]

What (subtextual) information is typically exchanged in small talk? And I wonder if anything plays the role of small talk in online communications.

Comment author: malthrin 09 July 2011 08:41:55PM *  1 point [-]

Group status, 1-on-1 status, mood - all that mammalian stuff. Most of that comes through side channels: posture, tone, eye movements. As for equivalent side-channels in online communications, compare:

  • u can say alot of things wihout words rite?? :)
  • I'm sure you've already thought of this, but have you considered the information content of syntax as well as semantics? Sorry to bother you.
  • Augh, RTFM you n00b, don't waste our time with this BS. Punctuation, tone, and w0rd ch01c3 are covered on the wiki for online chat.

You can put a chimp in front of a keyboard, but it's still a chimp.

What I find fascinating are the different levels of subtext-literacy I encounter online. Everyone is hard-wired to internalize their culture's body language model at a young age, but exposure to the internet equivalent varies widely. I imagine that being internet-communication-illiterate is something like visiting a foreign country - you can understand and make yourself understood, but you stick out like a sore thumb and are blind to every kind of subtlety.

Comment author: fburnaby 09 July 2011 03:25:20PM 1 point [-]

The obvious guess would be information about our own interests and dispositions. Or perhaps even sizing each-other up intellectually in much the same way those wolves do.

Comment author: Manfred 08 July 2011 01:01:24AM 2 points [-]

Hey, who's this "we?" :P

OR:

Practice practice practice.