RobinHanson comments on Non-Malthusian Scenarios - Less Wrong

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Comment author: RobinHanson 26 September 2009 08:08:45PM 0 points [-]

The concept of near subsistence income is robust to aggregating smaller individuals into larger individuals. However you group or divide very poor folk, they remain very poor.

Comment author: Johnicholas 27 September 2009 01:04:29AM 1 point [-]

Very well, at what level is the earth now? At subsistence, above, or below?

Comment author: RobinHanson 27 September 2009 03:41:44AM 0 points [-]

I said at OB; median is 5-10 times, mean is about 20 times.

Comment author: Johnicholas 27 September 2009 04:45:53AM 4 points [-]

I can't find the post on OB that you're referring to, otherwise I would reply there.

Do these (5-20) figures disagree with estimates that humanity is consuming more "ecological services" than the rest of Earth's ecology can renew?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_footprint

I'm just trying to understand how you compute "income" and "subsistence" for entities like "earth as a whole". From your tone it ought to be easy, but there isn't really money, or trade, at this level of organization. Earth as a whole doesn't buy things from other entities, not with money, nor with barter, so I don't see how to compute those numbers. The best parallel I can see between human-scale economics and earth-scale is "sustainability". If a human's income exceeds subsistence, then I'd say they were in a good situation regarding sustainability. However, the ecological-footprint figures argue that earth as a whole is in a bad situation regarding sustainability.

Comment author: RobinHanson 27 September 2009 03:56:08PM 0 points [-]

The usual methods use market prices, which of course would not be available if the Earth had no internal smaller units trading.