DanArmak comments on Non-Malthusian Scenarios - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DanArmak 30 September 2009 01:59:09PM 1 point [-]

The way women maximize their reproduction is by having male kids who are alpha males

If a woman maximizes reproduction (and so fitness) by having more sons than daughters, then why doesn't the population tilt towards a male:female ratio > 1?

Comment author: SilasBarta 30 September 2009 02:06:51PM *  2 points [-]

Because Bugle is wrong and seems to be falling into a species of the group selection error.

If indeed women try to have only alpha males (in the sense of some genetic mutation causing her to have more high-quality males and is being put to the test), then other women make a "genetic killing" (genetic birthing?) by having daughters instead. The equilibrium of this game is that of 50/50 chance of male/female babies.

(And alphaness is a positional good anyway and so can't increase in the gene pool.)

OTOH, cultural mechanisms can permit group selection to occur, so a culture could put a bottleneck on its growth rate by endorsing abortion/infanticide specifically of female babies. (China and Middle East, I'm looking in your general direction here.)

Comment author: DanArmak 30 September 2009 02:46:26PM 0 points [-]

And if a culture endorsed killing most male babies (or with modern medical technology, conceived only girls most of the time), and implemented polygamy, they'd be using their child-raising resources efficiently and would increase their growth rate linearly with the number of women.

Thinking about this some more: the reason this isn't a historical winner is rather obvious - a mostly female population can't field a big army and is invaded by young males from other groups. Also, the women have incentives to move to a different group where they could have a man all to themselves (or to invite foreign men), so a few men would have to effectively rule and police a mostly female society.