PeerInfinity comments on Open Thread: October 2009 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: PeerInfinity 06 October 2009 03:55:05AM 1 point [-]

I recently realized that I don't remember seeing any LW posts questioning if it's ever rational to give up on getting better at rationality, or at least on one aspect of rationality that a person is just having too much trouble with.

There have been posts questioning the value of x-rationality, and posts examining the possibility of deliberately being irrational, but I don't remember seeing any posts examining if it's ever best to just give up and stop trying to learn a particular skill of rationality.

For example, someone who is extremely risk-averse, and experiences severe psychological discomfort in situations involving risk, and who has spent years trying to overcome this problem with no success. Should this person keep trying to overcome the risk aversion, or just give up and never leave their comfort zone, focusing instead on strategies for avoiding situations involving risk?

yes, the "someone" I mention above is myself.

and yes, I am asking this hoping that the answer gives me an excuse to be lazy.

Comment author: PeerInfinity 07 October 2009 05:23:36PM *  1 point [-]

I'm surprised that noone gave the obvious answer yet, which is:

If overcoming the problem really is hopeless, then give up and focus on more productive things, otherwise keep trying.

If it isn't obvious whether it's hopeless or not, then do a more detailed cost/benefit analysis.

Still, I don't remember seeing any LW post that even mentioned that sometimes giving up is an acceptable option. Or maybe I just forgot, or didn't notice.

Comment author: CronoDAS 07 October 2009 05:56:59PM 2 points [-]
Comment author: PeerInfinity 07 October 2009 06:10:56PM 0 points [-]

Yes, that link is relevant and helpful, thanks.

It's not specifically about giving up on overcoming a particular irrational behaviour, but I guess the same advice applies.

Comment author: Jack 07 October 2009 07:58:16PM *  1 point [-]

This is random and for all sorts of reasons possibly a bad idea- but have you ever thought about anti-anxiety medication? It might have side effects that turn you off of it but it could help you deal with high risk situations.

(I should disclaim: I'm not a doctor, my knowledge doesn't extend past personal experience and a cog sci minor. Obviously, not medical advice, etc.)

Comment author: pdf23ds 07 October 2009 07:21:18PM 1 point [-]

I personally didn't suggest it because it seemed like it's obvious to you, so the only interesting response would be to deny it for some good reason.

I would note that you shouldn't give up permanently. Maybe wait a year or a few, then see if you've grown in other ways that would make a new attempt more fruitful.

Comment author: PeerInfinity 07 October 2009 07:50:41PM 0 points [-]

upvoted. good advice. thanks.

Comment author: Dagon 07 October 2009 08:41:26PM 0 points [-]

It's been hinted at a few times, usually in terms of "how to pick goals" rather than "when to give up on goals". AFAIK, never a top-level post of "maybe you should give up and do something easier and/or more productive toward other goals". I think it'd be valuable.