dfranke comments on Are you a Democrat singletonian, or a Republican singletonian? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: dfranke 01 October 2009 11:18:18PM 9 points [-]

I'm pretty sure that the set of people interested in entertaining the question lean pretty heavily libertarian, and also that if in the course of creating a Friendly AI you need to make any value judgment that correlates significantly along party lines, you're almost certainly Doing It Wrong.

Comment author: kpreid 02 October 2009 12:44:48AM 1 point [-]

if in the course of creating a Friendly AI you need to make any value judgment that correlates significantly along party lines, you're almost certainly Doing It Wrong.

This is exactly what I thought when I saw the original post, but did not then have time to write.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 01 October 2009 11:34:59PM *  0 points [-]

I think saying that the set of people interested in entertaining the question would lean libertarian, is evidence that this does indeed break down on party lines as I suggested. I find it bizarre to suppose that Republicans or Democrats interested in the Singularity would want to build a singleton without even asking whether that was the right thing to do. But I lean Libertarian.

You may be right wrt. the Doing It Wrong observation. But it's difficult to say anything meaningful about making friendly AI if we dismiss approaches that are Doing It Wrong, because the set of Doing It Right is miniscule or empty.

In a case like that, where you can't find the right way, it may be valuable to discuss approaches even if they are known to be wrong, in the hope that the analysis generalizes to approaches that are correct?

Comment author: dfranke 01 October 2009 11:39:44PM 3 points [-]

I think saying that the set of people interested in entertaining the question would lean libertarian, is evidence that this does indeed break down on party lines as I suggested.

No, I think the source of the correlation is merely that entertaining libertarianism and entertaining the possibility of being governed by an AI both require significant willingness to depart from the mainstream. Most people just write them both off as crazy.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 01 October 2009 11:46:58PM 0 points [-]

Assume that the mainstream will confront the question eventually. What will they decide to do? In other words, Can we predict that there is a singleton in our future, based on the predominant emotional needs that people express in their choice of political party today? That's my question.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 02 October 2009 12:18:48AM 0 points [-]

based on the predominant emotional needs that people express in their choice of political party today

Can you really translate emotional needs into future policy? Doesn't it depend on how the policy is framed? In particular, if both sides can produce reasons for a policy (as you say here), then bipartisan support does not seem terribly more likely to me than one side's rhetoric framing the issue and the other side's reason vanishing.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 08 October 2009 04:30:29AM 0 points [-]

Can you really translate emotional needs into future policy?

If you don't think you can do that, I advise you not to go into politics.