Vladimir_Nesov comments on Don't Think Too Hard. - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 05 October 2009 03:33:25PM *  0 points [-]

Even for language learning, it doesn't seem that children learn faster. They just have nothing else to do, while adults typically only work on language some portion of the day/week. A full-time effort to learn a language will allow an adult to learn a new language to fluency in a few months, that is much faster than children do. Another matter is anchoring created by previous languages, that results in accent and other linguistic quirks.

Comment author: pdf23ds 05 October 2009 06:05:22PM 0 points [-]

A full-time effort to learn a language will allow an adult to learn a new language to fluency in a few months

I have no doubt this is true for especially talented language learners. I am not one of those people, and most people aren't either. Language learning ability has a very high variance. 1-2 years seems like a reasonable median.

Comment author: taw 05 October 2009 04:11:00PM 0 points [-]

A full-time effort to learn a language will allow an adult to learn a new language to fluency in a few months, that is much faster than children do.

Have you actually tried this?

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 05 October 2009 04:44:31PM 0 points [-]

If I did, it wouldn't be a particularly useful piece of info (anecdote). I didn't, and I read about such programs.

Comment author: eirenicon 05 October 2009 04:42:24PM 0 points [-]

I was conversationally fluent in Spanish after traveling in Spanish-speaking countries for six months, despite studying the grammar for only a week and spending most of my time speaking English. I can only imagine how fluent I'd be if I had actually devoted myself to learning instead of, well, doing what I like to call "stupid things in dangerous places". (In all fairness, Spanish is pretty easy to learn from an English base, especially if you've studied Latin. I imagine Chinese or Swahili would be a lot harder.)

Comment author: rhollerith_dot_com 08 October 2009 09:47:28PM 1 point [-]

I was conversationally fluent in Spanish after traveling in Spanish-speaking countries for six months

It would be nice to know, eirenicon, whether you had any competency in any other languages besides English before you learn Spanish.

Comment author: eirenicon 08 October 2009 10:13:35PM 1 point [-]

Ah, of course. No, English was my only language at the time. I studied French in grade school but have no more than a few words of it left - that said, the underlying grammar, which is similar to Spanish, probably didn't just disappear. I also took a couple Latin courses in high school, but never became very proficient and again, only retained a few words and a rough understanding of structure. When I began learning Spanish it was all very new and quite difficult at first. I do think my strategy was a good one, though. The week I spent taking private lessons was devoted to grammar and grammar alone, on my insistence, and it paid off. En mis viajes fue muy Ăștil.